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LowEndTalk Update

Update: Forum is now back up and running.

Unfortunately we were hacked for a third time. Vanilla Forums appears to have numerous exploits which the hackers took advantage of. We are now working directly with Vanilla Forums to get LowEndTalk safely and securely back online. More information will follow shortly.


  1. oh no:

    Just face it. LET is dead. LEB is next to die. Can you just give up ColoCrossing?
    As for you Liam, you’re f*c*i*g amazinggg

    May 17, 2013 @ 10:56 pm
  2. Unfortunate :(

    Hopefully you guys will have the forums back and running soon.

    May 17, 2013 @ 10:56 pm
    • MikeIn:

      +1 Hope so……..

      May 18, 2013 @ 5:32 am
  3. Naruto:

    I am a prophet.

    May 17, 2013 @ 11:00 pm
    • just bought KVM::


      May 17, 2013 @ 11:06 pm
  4. Jarvis.M:

    You finally realised that the exploit wouldn’t be fixed by restoring a backup. GENUISES!

    May 17, 2013 @ 11:23 pm
    • Ollie:

      LOL, good point.

      May 17, 2013 @ 11:50 pm
  5. Sonic:

    Dear Liam,
    Tks your great team for great hark work! Love LET and LEB, hope LET be back soon!

    May 18, 2013 @ 12:06 am
  6. Jonathan:

    Just a advice, get out of Vanilla, go to IP.Board.

    May 18, 2013 @ 12:44 am
    • Tux:

      I find IPB somewhat clunky.

      Source: Moderating an IPB forum

      May 18, 2013 @ 1:57 am
      • Yeah the cool thing about Vanilla for a small forum was easily accessible. I find that I can go in and flick through it like a magazine without going through so many hoops.

        May 18, 2013 @ 2:53 am
    • Fritz:

      I have IPB 1.3. Old script but it is free and this version has been security audited.

      May 18, 2013 @ 1:36 pm
  7. 谁叫你不用 discuz !!

    May 18, 2013 @ 1:10 am
  8. Install mod_sec or/and upgrade to vbulletin.com or ipboard. :) Good luck.

    May 18, 2013 @ 1:16 am
  9. Maybe phpbb was safer

    May 18, 2013 @ 3:09 am
  10. Thanks for the hard work Liam and team!
    Hope this can be resolved very soon

    May 18, 2013 @ 3:11 am
    • MikeIn:

      Hopefully Liam and other members will get it fixed soon…

      -LET’er :)

      May 18, 2013 @ 5:41 am
      • Marc M.:

        Liam is a really good guy who suffered allot trying to do right by everyone. It’s out of his hands do.

        May 18, 2013 @ 9:13 am
  11. “Ignore the haters, build cool forums”. – Famous quote by some random dude.

    Thanks for all the effort put in, lets hope it all works out and we get LET back in whatever way. Your hard work is appriciated!

    May 18, 2013 @ 4:05 am
  12. wlanboy:

    @Raymii your right.
    I do not like the taste of the whole story. Some guys do not like CC and therefore destory a page?
    In my optionen noone has the right to ddos/hack a site with the “reason” to not like the owner or what he is doing/saying.
    We will see how long a new community can last if it is only based on hate. Because even hate vanishes and then nothing else is left.

    May 18, 2013 @ 5:41 am
  13. DomainBop:

    “I do not like the taste of the whole story. Some guys do not like CC and therefore destory a page?”

    You left out the part where PhoenixVPS and CatalystHost setup a site called LowEndTalk.in that uses Vanilla and looks exactly like LowEndTalk.com and has the same categories. 2 “providers” added to my black list.

    May 18, 2013 @ 6:06 am
    • Jarland:

      I’m not sure where Catalyst Host’s name is on that but you’re free to say as you please.

      May 18, 2013 @ 6:39 am
    • Marc M.:

      I’ve set this up for people who wanted to have a forum while the other one was down. I’ve put my name on the domain registration so it’s not like I was trying to hide it. You are pretty stupid in your logic, you know that? Setting up a two bit online forum took less than 15 minutes of work. LET is been down what, 3 days mow? Get a move on it and make it work again so we all have a forum instead of doing DDoS attacks on this one you prick.

      May 18, 2013 @ 6:47 am
      • Charlie:

        Seems like someone hit a soft spot. Butthurt much?

        May 18, 2013 @ 7:27 am
        • Marc M.:

          Not at all, but I’ll be damned if I’ll let a guy called Todd Switzer aka “DomainBop” who defrauds people for a living bully me around a two bit blog.

          May 18, 2013 @ 8:49 am
      • Spirit:

        You just set this up “for people”. Yeah, right… it seems like everyone want to own piece of LEB/LET today under pretence “I am doing this for community”. Yeah, right”!

        May 18, 2013 @ 10:52 am
    • Marc M.:

      Grow a pair and put a name to your nick name you coward. I was doing a service for the community.

      May 18, 2013 @ 6:51 am
    • peppr:

      CatalystHost added to my blacklist already for trying to be too clever trolling in forum accusing everyone and their dog with pointless talks, insults and what not. They just being a 3 node provider with so much baggage for a 3 person ( and a troll ) operation.. Please add a ignore and reputation feature in the new version of LET ;)

      May 18, 2013 @ 7:36 am
      • jarland:

        peppr, I apologize if my forum activity has offended you in any way. Catalyst Host is a business. Your anger at me for my commitment to truth and honesty is one that I find strange, however it is entirely your right to prefer lies and dishonesty if that is the way that you believe is proper. I appreciate your comments and if you ever need anything please let me know.

        May 18, 2013 @ 7:45 am
        • peppr:

          we aren’t rehearsing political pep talk here. Anyone who is curious can always go back to the forums and verify for themselves. Your apology is strange and doesn’t blend with rest of your peptalk. What I/others believe in a forum is upto their own understanding and convenience. You have no right to brag/police anyone about your so called commitment to truth and honesty. You must be ridiculous to believe that I am angry at you, I am voicing out against your pointless rant which unfortunately paints a very tainted picture on your so called business…

          Before ranting also understand that the people/companies who you’re throwing tantrum against are business as well and if you believe you cannot coexist, GTFO rather than trolling and making the place less awesome ;)

          May 18, 2013 @ 8:24 am
        • Jarland:

          peppr, if you’d like to talk email me and I’ll be glad to give you my phone number. Goodnight.

          May 18, 2013 @ 8:29 am
        • peppr:

          @Jarland : Which line of mine makes you believe so? Thanks but no thanks.

          May 18, 2013 @ 8:37 am
        • @peppr, Catalyst Host has absolutely no problem with ChicagoVPS or any other provider that is on LET. I apologize if you ever got this impression. There is enough room in this industry for all of us. If only more people would realize this. I have actually sent a few clients to ChicagoVPS in the past. I also send people to other providers as well, they all know who they are. So I am not sure where you are getting that our businesses can not co-exist. We are great friends with a lot of providers on LET. The truth was going to come out at some point, just sad it came out months later. So I will extend my offer as well, you can contact either of us at any time.

          May 18, 2013 @ 9:13 am
        • peppr:

          @Ryan Arp : It was you who asked to take my pick and there is absolutely no need to add decorative replies all of a sudden. I have no real interest to hear how well you get along with providers X and Y. Again I am no way affiliated to any provider. The truth was known to many people and that doesnt warrant anyone to act as bullies and stage D-Day dramas as you people from CatalystHost did. Sure everyone is human and you guys have personal accounts as you claim, but if LET comes back with its archive and you guys have some spare time, run through last 100 posts from @Jarland and decide for yourself.

          Okay. Extending emails, phone numbers,… Thanks for your personal attention, but why? You guys are already trying hard!!!! to be friendly in the forums right? lol
          Apart from a publicity stunt, I dont see what is there in exchanging emails and phone numbers

          May 18, 2013 @ 9:31 am
    • lbft:

      Really now. You’re going to dox somebody over a squabble on the internet?

      May 18, 2013 @ 9:21 am
    • peppr:

      If you’d realise you’re damaging your reputation here…

      May 18, 2013 @ 9:32 am
    • Spirit:

      Marc M are you sick? In your head? This what he pasted was more or less fake whois info (without mail, wihtout home address, etc..) while you’re paste here real name and full address of some random private person who don’t represent here any company. If I would be you I would request removal of your post above becaue you just crossed line.

      May 18, 2013 @ 10:48 am
      • Removed.

        May 18, 2013 @ 11:03 am
        • Jarland:

          Removed ome person posting another person’s private information, but left the one it was in response to. Make no mistake, DDOS have been handed out like candy to any new forum since LET went down, DomainBop simply wanted to highlight another one as a signal to the offender. Good job helping him keep that there.

          Nothing against you Liam, you know that, but clear double standard.

          May 18, 2013 @ 2:46 pm
          • Jarland:

            Ome? Well that’s how I spell “one” now.

            May 18, 2013 @ 2:47 pm
          • Sorry! I was just linked to the one which was removed. Never noticed the other. Sorted.

            May 18, 2013 @ 4:07 pm
            • Marc M.:

              When business interests, competitors, clients, trolls and the occasional visitor mix you get a mess.

              @Liam, you have been always good to me and I have tremendous respect for you. I see that LET is being set up on Rackspace so I would call that progress. Maybe the old drama should be left behind and the new LET should have none of it. The information and comments are about as useful as glasses for a blind man. Instead of trying to moderate it just cut the whole thing off (delete it). It’s about as solid advise as I can give.

              If the new LET is run by you then me and others will return, otherwise we have no interest to do so. You are a good person and we all respect you.

              May 18, 2013 @ 6:05 pm
      • Spirit:

        Explanation about post above: It was response to Marc M who doxed (with home address, etc..) some ordinary long term LEB member without any good reason.

        May 18, 2013 @ 11:05 am
        • florin:

          I was at the house, and nobody lives there.

          May 18, 2013 @ 11:40 am
        • Marc M.:

          Todd Switzer aka DomainBop slandered me and others for months hiding behind anonymity, posting false information online.

          He is far from an ordinary person, or as you describe him as “some ordinary long term LEB member”, and his business interests is the only reason while he is posting. He is far from respectable. Every respectable member of this community has moved on to VPSBoard.com and Todd Switzer aka DomainBop (amongst other) are still doing DDoS attacks against that web site, just like he did against us for the short time that we set up lowendtalk.in.

          Spirit you’re probably not from the US, but here DDoS attacks are considered criminal and you go to jail if you perform such attacks.

          He also made threats against me and others, as well as slandered me and others publicly in his self business interest as well as in the interests of the people running LowEndTalk and LowEndBox. His so called private information is publicly available information to anyone, as is mine. Just as the RipOff report showing how he is scamming people is public information available here: http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/directory/todd-switzer

          I started using a paid for PO Box on my domain names because I am tired of the spam and junk mail that I get, mostly for Search Engine Optimization. I’m sure that many of you guys are familiar with what I’m talking about, especially those phone calls about how some company can make you rank high in Google, as well as those pieces of mail promising the same thing.

          I see that you are using strong words and making empty accusations because you’re hiding behind anonymity. That’s called trolling.

          May 18, 2013 @ 5:07 pm
          • Spirit:

            “Every respectable member of this community has moved on to VPSBoard.com”

            Huh, are you nuts? If you would be loyal member of LEB/LET community atlast half of my time you would know it better.
            And regarding ddos, accusing randomly everyone around who don’t agree with you – wtf. is wrong with you? Are you aware that I am here years longer than you, most people know me that and another way per ages, I may be annoying for some of them, but no one, really no one would connect my name with any malicious act on internet. I wouldn’t dirt my hands that way no matter what (even if I would know to which I don’t). So while I understand that you don’t appreciate being called idiot disregarding the fact that you are idiot please use atleast a bit of common sense as some of us didn’t even know about the page you supposedly run (before this thread).

            So yes, by my opinion you’re idiot, by my opinion you didn’t do anything good to this community since your appearance here, by my opinion you’re just one of those who want to own little part of LEB/LET with creating another LEB/LET clone under pretence that you’re doing this for community, but that’s all. I don’t care for your little new clone communities and It don’t even cross my mind to dirt my hands with any bad things related to them. For me is simple. If I am not interested about something I simply don’t join. And this is it.
            If you succes fine. You can start with new nick, Chief as example. Some people will praise you (and you will be happy panda – just the way you always wanted), some will dislike you (and you will hate them and accuse of everything posible) and regarding me… I wish you good luck disregarding the fact that you’re in my eyes total idiot. And this is it. End story.

            May 18, 2013 @ 10:28 pm
            • Marc M.:

              My problem is not with you Spirit. I left here and I was minding my own business, then I get DDoSed and 5 minutes later DomainBop starts issuing public threats against me. That’s why I am back here responding. Maybe you should join VPSBoard.com as well and leave all of this behind. You might like it better over there.

              May 18, 2013 @ 10:36 pm
            • Spirit:

              But do you really think that he did it? I mean, we all know only slightly each other (over internet) and often we don’t agree with each other and people sometimes surprise, but honestly – do you really think that this oldie really bother that much about your site to put effort to ruin it? I don’t always agree with DomainBop but to me he looks like mature smart guy who usually know what he’s talking and always back up his claims with proofs. One thing is disagreement (you will find plenty people in life whoi don’t agree with your, or me or anyone) but this usually don’t lead into malicious act.

              May 18, 2013 @ 10:44 pm
            • Spirit:

              And of course I owe you an apology. For a moment I thought that you accuse me of something in your post above – that’s why such response from my side. Misunderstood, guess.

              May 18, 2013 @ 10:48 pm
            • Marc M.:

              No problem :-)

              May 18, 2013 @ 11:06 pm
            • Marc M.:

              Spirit, I don’t have any reason to make this stuff up. I just asked to be left alone, nothing more. I have no problem with anyone. To put this in biblical terms: I did not cast the first stone.

              May 18, 2013 @ 11:05 pm
            • MannDude:

              Just want to chime in and let it be known vpsBoard was never meant to be a LET/LEB replacement, it was started in March and was for general VPS discussion. Not ‘low end’ $7/mo limited VPSes. When SHTF here, people migrated.

              May 19, 2013 @ 11:14 am
      • John:

        Since when is a PO Box a fake address? A PO Box is a Post Office Box, which real people pay for and have their real mail sent to. If Marc is not permitted to post public whois information then I fail to see how DomainBop is allowed to.

        May 18, 2013 @ 1:22 pm
  14. tommy:

    the real owner of LEB/LEB is CC :P no fair for some host/people since every bad review about CC thread closed as soon as. If this still happen many of us will move to another forum.

    May 18, 2013 @ 6:44 am
  15. DomainBop:

    >I’m not sure where Catalyst Host’s name is on that

    You’re the co-owner of CatalystHost. Your name is listed as one of the managers of the copycat LET site. Stop trying to play dumb.

    May 18, 2013 @ 6:48 am
    • Jarland:

      So if someone sets me as admin along with a bunch of others from various companies that you don’t mention, I co-created the site? Nice try. You’re just trying to create google slander because you don’t like me. For some reason, the fact that I personally support the idea that readers at LowEndTalk deserved to know that the ownership was being withheld and was someone who has a stake in the industry has personally upset you. Now, you can be an adult and talk about it or throw out more insults. The second option makes it extremely clear that you do not seek resolutions and you do not respect truth. Please tread carefully as slander is grounds for a lawsuit.

      May 18, 2013 @ 6:52 am
    • Marc M.:

      Your BS is not worth my time. I was a random community member who tried to help out. I’ve taken down the stupid Vanilla Forum because it’s crappy software anyway that doesn’t work right. It’s riddled with bugs. I should have installed XenForo or something else that is more usable and not filled with bugs, but I wanted to give community members a place to stay while you were trying to bring back LET. But it’s fine, I will redo the site the way I think it should be done properly, with the right software and those community members that want to join can join. It will be open to everyone.

      You call that a copy cat? Plain Vanilla Forums and the color green?! Are you that delusional?!

      Last time I checked the United States of America was still a free country were each United States Citizen has has a first amendment right to express his opinion freely, to assemble and share it with others. Or are you high thinking that somehow you’re above the law?

      Your DDoS attacks didn’t take lowendtalk.in down so now you resorted to this.

      Here they are:

      Attack Start: 2013-05-18
      Attack Size: 2.18 Gbps
      Attack Type: IP_Fragment_Misuse

      Attack Start: 2013-05-18
      Attack Size: 2.35 Gbps
      Attack Type: IP_Fragment_Misuse

      Idiots like you DomainBop managed to alienate an entire community. You have tried to bully hundreds of people, but I think it’s over. The people have woken up. Because of this I won’t be back here. Instead of being grateful that I was trying to help, you make threats. How about you tell the rest of the community who you really are so that this can be at least a fair match, you child? Like it isn’t already obvious enough.

      Me, and hundreds of others have moved on from here. Soon this place will be deserted. Enjoy being alone!

      And don’t worry about what Jarland said about slander and lawsuits, that’s minor, because for creating DDoS attacks against an individual, business or charitable organization you go to prison. Yes, in the United States of America we have laws for that as well.


      May 18, 2013 @ 7:23 am
      • peppr:

        >> You have tried to bully hundreds of people, but I think it’s over. The people have woken up.

        Chill, looks like election is coming. Take it easy

        May 18, 2013 @ 7:40 am
      • Spirit:

        “Idiots like you DomainBop managed to alienate an entire community.”

        Says who? You who barely joined this community with your “yada, yada” idiocy? Unlike you DomainBop atleast have something to say and own claims always back up with proofs while you’re just one of many parasites at LEB/LET. I don’t give a sh.. about your “I want my own piece of LEB/LET.. for community erm… of course” because I saw enough your hypocrisy since your appeared here.

        May 18, 2013 @ 11:01 am
  16. Maounique:

    I also think that LEB/LET have been hijacked. From what i hear now LEA didnt sell it, it was taken by someone who then after neglecting it a lot sold it to a provider.
    It is no longer a community site and you are only protecting the “rights” of a corporation which didnt do squat for the community except providing some DDoS protection and hosting.
    While I do not agree with any sort of vandalism, the community needs a new place and leave this to the companies to advertise.

    May 18, 2013 @ 7:18 am
    • lbft:

      Not too often that I agree with Maounique, but the bad faith that ColoCrossing has shown to the community in the underhanded way they kept their ownership of LowEndBox and LowEndTalk secret has killed all the enthusiasm I had for this place.

      May 18, 2013 @ 7:28 am
    • peppr:

      LEA did more like a handover to a team and not a single person from what I remember. I am not sure how someone can sell this off and just disappear??

      May 18, 2013 @ 7:44 am
      • Maounique:

        “I am not sure how someone can sell this off and just disappear??”

        Actually, the order is this:
        Get someone else’s work for free->make a lot of money doing basically nothing->disappear->sell.

        May 18, 2013 @ 8:02 am
      • gsrdgrdghd:

        Chief found a team to help him run LEB/LET, but it was completly owned by him. It’s really sad what Chief has done to this community.

        May 18, 2013 @ 8:16 am
      • mikho:

        Chief was the only owner after LEA.
        Rest of the people (me included) did everything for free, helping out the community.
        After awhile things got out of hand because of no direction pointed out from the leader which led every team member to work out of their own head.

        Some people was offered things in return (money, items) from Chief. Some accepted the payout.
        I guess Chief got tired of all of it and decided to sell to the company hosting the server without letting the community or the team know that it was sold.
        Bad decision according to me.

        May 18, 2013 @ 9:03 am
        • In my eyes, the only person that should be blamed is Joel and only Joel. They handed over the community to him and as far as I am informed, one of the first things he has done is start looking for the highest bidders for the site. Guys, you are lucky that CC aquired the site, over some of the other bidders ;)

          May 18, 2013 @ 9:31 am
        • peppr:

          +1. Funny that Chief is hardly blamed here.. CC is acting more civil here. Cant deny that….

          May 18, 2013 @ 9:35 am
        • +1 @peppr
          He didn’t even bother even logging in and showing his head here.

          Let’s not forget that CC ran LET/LEB for nearly an year now and untill recentely hardly anyone even speculated about this.

          May 18, 2013 @ 9:51 am
        • Maarten Kossen:

          +1 Chief messed up, CC saved LEB and LET.

          May 18, 2013 @ 10:46 am
      • @peppr Yes, I remember that. In my understanding LEA hand LEB/LET over to a team so it will remain an unbiased community forum.

        May 18, 2013 @ 10:29 am
        • not a team, ONLY Chief … aka Joel

          May 19, 2013 @ 6:01 pm
    • florin:

      well, ColoCrossing I guess should not be blamed, except for the fact that they kept the secret but well, I think that was also one of Chief’s conditions for handing it over, he did not want a furious mob searching for him.

      If someone offers you a sure deal would you say no? Put yourself in CC’s position. In my opinion, all the blame goes out to Chief, who cared more about some money than about the community. If he did not have time, did not have resources, etc, he should have left it to someone who could take care of it, but well, the deal is done, and I don’t think CC is into donations, and basically donating it back to the community does not guarantee another LEA will come, because in this world there are 1 LEA’s for 100,000 Chiefs

      May 18, 2013 @ 10:20 am
  17. ETA on LET coming BTL?

    May 18, 2013 @ 9:36 am
    • DanielM:

      Who know’s but they have moved the site already to Rackspace. maybe better site protection?

      May 18, 2013 @ 10:59 am
    • Noerman:

      Why not using hosted version of Vanilla?

      May 18, 2013 @ 11:00 am
  18. asterisk14:

    keep it up Liam. Thanks for all your hard work.

    May 18, 2013 @ 11:05 am
  19. cosmicgate:

    wherr the hell is my daily dose of let. bring it back!

    May 18, 2013 @ 12:19 pm
  20. earl:

    So what ever happened to Joel? Seems he was more active on LET before he bought LET/LEB

    May 18, 2013 @ 12:34 pm
  21. Fritz:

    I’m really miss LET. Good luck @Liam

    May 18, 2013 @ 1:43 pm
  22. audefy.com | aaron:

    Can everyone just calm down.. Really.. Something as simple as “Our forums went down and we’re taking measures to put it back up” has blown into accusing other companies and all this hate on supposed ‘trolls’. What happened, happened. LET.in is now down (as far as I can tell) so why don’t we all just stop the bashing and let LET/LEB sort it out. It’s as if all the professionalism has gone out the window. Go grab a nice cup of coffee and just calm the (pardon my language) f’ck down.

    May 18, 2013 @ 4:16 pm
  23. neqste:

    @Liam, can i ask, password in database md5 + salt? Or it’s clear?? It’s important for me.

    May 18, 2013 @ 4:51 pm
  24. just bought KVM::

    Round 4 started I guess on LET

    May 18, 2013 @ 4:52 pm
  25. Marc M.:

    When business interests, competitors, clients, trolls and the occasional visitor mix you get a mess.

    @Liam, you have been always good to me and I have tremendous respect for you. I see that LET is being set up on Rackspace so I would call that progress. Maybe the old drama should be left behind and the new LET should have none of it. The information and comments are about as useful as glasses for a blind man. Instead of trying to moderate it just cut the whole thing off (delete it). It’s about as solid advise as I can give.

    If the new LET is run by you then me and others will return, otherwise we have no interest to do so. You are a good person and we all respect you.

    May 18, 2013 @ 6:04 pm
    • Spirit:

      As I said you’re hypocrite. You’re talking about return and stuff while you’re still here. And btw. if you really decide to go away, (I mean REALLY not just in your mind) don’t worry – we were doing fine here years before you appeared.

      May 18, 2013 @ 10:06 pm
      • Marc M.:

        I’m here posting because DomainBop decided that it was a good idea to start making threats against me. Don’t worry, I’m not here to stay.

        May 18, 2013 @ 10:40 pm
  26. Jota:

    No backups ?

    May 19, 2013 @ 3:19 am
  27. Alex Vial:

    We’ve got all of Vanilla’s staff (literally) working to solve the vulnerabilities. We are investing very heavily into getting LET fixed for everyone. All we want to do is preserve all of the best parts of LEB/LET’s community and continue helping it grow. Thanks for the support guys. Alex

    May 19, 2013 @ 5:22 am
  28. DZ IS GOOD

    May 19, 2013 @ 5:29 am
  29. Oh, so, unfortunate !

    May 19, 2013 @ 7:56 pm

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